How NFTs will revolutionize collaboration software

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Brian Shields, CEO & Co-Founder of Sprinter:

Welcome to the future @ work. This is Brian and Alex. I want to know Alex, we're gonna talk about today.

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Alex Ford-Carther, Chief Technology Officer & Co-Founder of Sprinter: 

So today we're gonna be jumping into NFTs and specifically NFT membership. Okay? So not not your PNG PFP profile practice, but like how NFT can actually have some real utility. Not that those don't have utility, but how we can have utility within kind of more traditional space. So yeah, no, I mean, you know, obviously, Last episode, we kind of talked about how we were in crypto pretty early on 2017. You know, NFT's kind of exploded, and I guess 2021, you were you were kind of digging around in that space, kind of give us give us your take on NFT, ya

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Shields:

know, so, um, you know, just a little bit of my background jumped in kind of, like, a couple of weeks before, I guess it was like summer, yeah, July, July, August, something like that before, like, you know, the penguins hit the New York Times. And like everything started, you know, kind of blown up from there. I'm joined a couple of different dial groups got involved pretty heavily within a couple different discord communities, obviously, you know, the whole crypto Twitter crowd kind of jumped right in as well. And yeah, like you said, it was like, at first like art, and then it was like building out communities. And then, you know, when we were talking about like, some of the conferences that we went to in the other episode, you saw an NFT NYC like it really kind of growing beyond that, you know, where it's like, okay, like, there's like doodle exhibits. And like, it's kind of like the idea that there's like a Disney Store in Times Square, right. But it like, at one point, it was just like a cartoon of a mouse. And so it's like, interesting to see how NFT's have kind of grown beyond just kind of like crypto and kind of crypto as FinTech and moving more as to into kind of like a realm of like, crypto is culture. And so I think that's been really interesting. But like, at the highest level, like NFT, of any NFT, regardless of whether it's art or video, or, you know, software can access token or mint token or anything like that, the end of the day, and NFT is a software. So it's just, you know, the token itself is code. You know, it is a software that is, you know, encompassing the ownership of an asset. And that's kind of what makes it so interesting within like the art space, or the music space, or fashion or whatever. It's like the idea of actually kind of bringing ownership into the digital age and like ownership on the internet. And so I do think that there's a lot of misconceptions about NFT's and like, what they are and what they're limited to. But at the end of the day, it's kind of like, there are no limits on what software can do, like Software is eating the world, like we all know, this is happening. And what do you think about what you can do with smart contracts and like programming on Aetherium, or in any other, you know, kind of programmable blockchain, you're basically able to create these contracts, just as you would any contract in the in the traditional legal spent sense, you know, I can create a document that's going to entail ownership of a house or a car, or you know, a credential, whether it's a diploma or something like that. So I think that you're gonna see more and more evolution within the space in terms of what NFT's are beyond just digital ownership of an artistic asset. Yeah.

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Shields

I think that that a really clear example, for a lot of people to kind of wrap their heads around, if they're not familiar with the crypto space is probably links down. Just because it is basically a costless golf club, Country Club golf membership. And you can either get a membership for an individual community individual, like local membership or a global one. So if you think about how that could work, with a membership model, like a, like a Soho House, or like a we work, you might have access to a local facility, but you might then also have a membership that gives you access to all of this facilities around the world. So that's the type of thing where you're kind of seeing this kind of blend of virtual communities and real world activities in a digital membership, without necessarily fiscal ownership of any one individual space. And I think that's something we're gonna continue to see whether that's, you know, airlines, shifting their reward and your their, or their airline lounges over to like a tokenized membership model. We're just we're seeing that just like we saw an evolution where you started to see traditional securities and you know, stocks and stuff like that start being tokenized as well. So, you know, just, you know, kind of continuation of software eating the

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Ford-Carther

world. Yeah, I mean, someone we watch from time to time and you you've been a big fan of like Gary Vee, some of the V friends. I know, they did, like a big conference. But that's another good example of a membership model where you get access to real world events, and obviously, he's got his own big following so and then he also launched the restaurant off of that with a private membership that you can only attend the restaurant with lif t so there's definitely some unique, unique kind of business models popping up around NFT and just specifically memberships.

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Shields

And then also I think in the music side of things you're seeing kind of like the fan experience. So I know I think it was Kings of Leon did a whole you know, thing kind of fine what like Blauw really kind of like lead the way with some way you could do it and then a T space kind of like during like the early clubhouse era. But I know that Kingsley did something where you got like, you know, front row tickets for life at like any concert, you basically became like a superfan and like you're you get like the backstage VIP pass. And you're like, you know, you know, you know, the honored guests, anytime you want to go, you can bring your friends and like, I think that that kind of evolution of a fan experience is really, really exciting, not just within music, but in sports as well. So like the idea that like, you know, I got friends that are, you know, huge Chicago sports fans, right? And they like live and breathe this stuff. They go to all the card shows, they go to all the rookie camps, they meet everybody who's gonna get cut from the team and a couple of weeks and like they love it. And now they're bringing their kids and like this is going to continue forever, like it's not going to go away. But when they go to a Bulls game, the bolts doesn't know that the guy in 202, you know, 13, you know, whatever is the superfan. They just know that he bought the ticket. And so like, that's a way where you're gonna be able to see like, Oh, this guy checked in with his token when he entered the stadium, then they're like, oh, like you'll Mike and his daughter are like, they're like VIP guests. Like we should, we can upgrade their seats. So we can give them you know, excess food or stuff. Like put them on the Jumbotron, put them on the Jumbotron. Exactly. And that's the type of thing of like, oh, the cameras are going to know which seats have the guys with the token and like because you can kind of geo locate that stuff. And that might sound like that's kind of like a kind of like a future type thing. But like these, we're talking like crypto arenas, like FTX arena, like this stuff is already there. I think that like anyone who attended a Miami Heat basketball game, basically, we're getting like airdrops tokens. So like, I think that this is happening rapidly within the sports world, I think it's happening rapidly within Media and Entertainment. I think that the more downstream we are, the more upstream we get in terms of content creation, and the more creators that are aware of what you can do in terms of like ownership of your, your, your content, your IP, your rights, whether you're like a visual artist, and a concept designer working on like sci fi, fantasy, or, and you're creating characters and vehicles and creatures or whatever. Or if you're like a screenwriter, like chopping away your screenplay, like a Starbucks, like the idea of actually owning your asset, as opposed to needing to go through intermediaries like some of the agencies and stuff like that, that are out there. I think it's a really, really interesting, and I think that within Media and Entertainment, and sports and fashion, and like that kind of convergence of culture with technology and finance, is where we're gonna see a lot of innovation in the next few years.

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Ford-Carther

kind of sticking to technology. So you and I obviously run a software company, we've used a tons of different platforms, as we've built our company, and we talked last episode about maybe not not accessing, or reaping the benefits of kind of being an early adopter, talk a little bit about how like NFT memberships, and NFT's might change that dynamic as like new, as this kind of new wave of software, web three platforms kind of rolls out,

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Shields

ya know. So I definitely think it's a way for new technologies and new teams that are building these technologies to actually reward the early adopters in a way that hasn't really been possible for, like in that kind of like the traditional world of like ownership and like you'd buy stock in Apple, but then you'd you probably spend more money on Apple products than you ever spent buying Apple stock. But for the average American, the average consumer says the idea that, like you're not actually getting any sort of benefit for being a supporter other than you're getting the product, and that's fine. That's pretty normal. And that's how most of you know modern capitalism has developed over time, right. But now, when you're talking about software, and digital assets and ownership, the idea of being able to be recognized as that, you know, really contributed to the growth and the success and like the idea that like, you want to pass on the benefits of network effects to the help people who helped you build the network. I think that's something that's truly unique within like NFT software, you know, ownership models, whether it's an access token or a membership token. And the idea that, you know, the, the first, you know, 10,000 people who sign up for Twitter, you know, you know, when it was, you know, Ashton and Jack and like, ever had just like first name handles and stuff like that. Some of those guys actually did get a chance to join in like Ashton Kutcher, like they invested in like some of these early people.

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Ford-Carther

That's how you gotta have Ashton Kutcher money. Right? Exactly. Exactly. And

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Shields

like so you get a lot of these people and that's again, we're a culture is upstream of of everything, right. And so now that you're seeing again, with like, you know, people being able to build these tools and, and being able to recognize, Oh, these are the first 2000 People that downloaded slack, like we should give them slack for life. These are the these are the first 100 businesses that started using zoom with their clients at the beginning of COVID. Those are the most 100 important customers they will ever have. And the idea that there's not a good way to recognize tracking and reward the early contributors in software development because a lot of times like you're running gun, like you're building software, like your lean startup, you're moving to Agile like you're not necessarily thinking like oh, what's my 100 year plan for customer success, right? You're not sitting there reading a copy of br gas and like look learn, like the Disney model or anything like that. And so it really is like, how can you re architect the relationship between software developers and software users, both in like a b2b model, but also in the consumer model as well, where people can, you know, I've shared the benefits of the growth of a platform.

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Ford-Carther

You talked about kind of that community, you know, NFT memberships, you know, whether it's a PFP, or, you know, one of those be friends that we talked about, just generally speaking, like, the best ones kind of foster and develop that that community and that connection between the users and the people building the products? Do you see that as a positive? Or negative?

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Shields

I mean, I definitely think it's a positive. I think that the beauty is that because this is all, you know, we're talking about, like blockchain based crypto technology, a lot of it is in enables that relationship while still protecting privacy and anonymity in a way that it we're moving more toward treating the users as adults and equals and comparable stakeholders within a community. And I think that if you saw kind of some of the the web two companies, whether it's the Googles, and the Facebook's or Twitter's of the world, you know, treating all of the users as, as equal members of everything, like we'd see a pretty different last 10 years of Western civilization. And so I think it's really interesting to see kind of just how that's going to be changing with web three.

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Ford-Carther

So you and I've talked about this, so how do you if I have a new NFT project, that's a membership base, and it's important that the community is part of the growth? How do you balance? You know, adhering to what the community needs, versus making sure that, you know, the development of, you know, the roadmap and like, everything gets executed? And how do you kind of balance that need for collaboration within the community, but also, on the other side, and making sure that doesn't get in the way of, you know, the progress?

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Shields

You know, I mean, what's still the quote from Ford, right? If you ask people what they want, they would have said, a faster horse. And so I do think that there's, the wisdom of the crowd is a real thing, right, but you never underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers. So I think that there needs to be like a kind of a balance. And like, we see this within some of the dollars that I've been a member of, and we've seen just, you know, evolve over time is like, this new kind of organizational structure of human intellectual capital and talent is kind of evolved. And so the idea of like, how do we make sure that there's kind of like an over overall driving vision, whether that's like a core team and like a supporting community, which I think is the more natural progression with a lot of these as they grow, it's gonna be like a handful of people working on something, then they start telling people about it, the more people hear about it, and that's going to be the natural evolution of a lot of these communities. But I do think that there's a reason that the fans don't write the scripts when it comes to like, superhero movies, right? Like, we're not actually all professional screenwriters. And like, we don't all like know, the best way to cast a role. You know, like, people didn't like Craig as Bond people didn't like, you know, Bale as Batman like, and then they went Sabol and then they all loved it, right? So it's like, there is like that kind of that balance, especially within the creative endeavors that we're seeing within like, 1000, like NFT stuff. But then software development is inherently a creative effort, right. And so I kind of firmly believe that I think that like good software does kind of fall like autour theory, like, you know, any sort of collaborative creative effort, whether it's, you know, cinema and or, or, or an opera or something like that more than when people are involved. But at the same time, someone's usually have the overall drive and creative vision.

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Ford-Carther

So we obviously have memberships as part of our platform. And one thing that we've discussed regularly is, is, you know, okay, what if someone doesn't want to use our platform anymore. And so, you know, for, for me, and one of the most important benefits is, is you're owning, you basically own the software license, and you own your seat at the table you own. You know, whether it's one, individual membership or agency membership, you own that, and you create value out of that you use it, but at some point, you know, we didn't want to use Slack anymore, we moved to discord, or we moved to telegram or whatnot. And then at some point, we just cancelled our Slack membership, right? And so we didn't get anything for it, right. And so for us, you know, what the NFT membership is in kind of why we kind of dug into that as a good model is, you know, when you're a member, you get value out of it, but then you can sell it to the next guy or the next girl and making sure that they can get value out of it on top of that,

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Shields

yeah, absolutely. The idea that like if I if I got a hammer and a wrench and I don't need the wrench anymore, I should be able to sell the wrench to somebody and if they want to pay a market price for the wrench, that's fine. And so I do think that like when you're talking about like a traditional b2b SaaS model Software as a Service, you're just paying X dollars per month per seat. Like you said, you're renting the software. And it's like, Listen, I don't know if you ever paid played Monopoly growing up, you don't actually want to be the tenant, you want to own the property. Right. And so I think that that's the big thing that people kind of fail to grasp around like the idea of like owning the software and like owning the software license, and so and then how do you balance that with collaborative collective governance of that technology? So you don't end up with like, you know, space, Lord Musk's and Zuckerberg like running the universe, right. And so I do think that that that's a thing that people need to kind of keep in mind about, like how that kind of brings people together.

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Ford-Carther

Well, you know, building on that, like, for us, and I've seen other other models where, you know, you could buy a piece of land in the metaverse and then turn it into a club or a hangout spot for you know, and then that you create value for that piece of, you know, for that particular NFT. And you can sell it at a higher at a higher premium. You know, for us, if you've got the NFT membership for, let's say, an agency, and you can do good work and bring on more people and hire more people, technically, you could sell that agency and that membership within the network, to somebody else who might want to come in and buy it up and buy your whole talent. One that

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Shields

kind of comes back to the idea that we've talked about a couple of times is the idea that like like, yeah, it's kind of like software as a service and software as a franchise, right? If we're bringing an ownership model into it, the idea that like you can actually have people that are you owning equally equal at licenses to a technology that they're able to run their own independent businesses with, and that, you know, it's their own balance sheet, they're running their own p&l, they're paying their own taxes, like they've, you know, that they're doing it all themselves, but they're using like a technology that other people collectively own. I think that that's definitely a big sea change. And kind of to your point earlier, like the difference between like renting versus owning, if you're an agency owner, and you're paying for Salesforce, or you're paying for Pardot, or you're paying for these different tools, that then you decide you don't need any more, they may you might assign like a 12 month or like a three year agreement, and then you don't want to pay for it anymore. Not only can you not turn around and sell your tool to another agency that might want to use it because you don't actually own it, you're just renting someone else's tool. Not only that, they're gonna try to lock you into like, oh, you sign this two year contract, and I don't care you don't want anymore, you're gonna have to pay us all this money to get out of this contract.

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Ford-Carther

I think Salesforce contracts are lifetime. Yeah, exactly. And

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Shields 

like, this is like the joke that like, people don't seem to really understand about, like, how technology was built over the last 2030 years, right. And like how it's like, kind of permeated the entire society where it's like the idea that like, Microsoft has you cradle to grave, right cradle to grave, like you are a Microsoft consumer, like they got if they didn't get you with like a childhood, you know, mommy daddy software for helping take care of the kids and like, you know, the, you know, sensors around the house or something like that they're gonna get you with the Xbox or they can get you with LinkedIn, they're gonna get you with the Microsoft suite. Like they're gonna have you your entire professional career for the like the broadest part of like the global economy. And similarly Apple stuff like this, like Amazon Apple, like you're putting it you're putting an air an air tag on your fucking kid. You know, you're not you're not letting your dog go somewhere. You can't track them on the iPhone. Yeah, no,

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Ford-Carther

my kids that they know Alexis name more than they know my name. So yeah, exactly.

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Shields 

It's like, you know, it's not it's not asked mommy asked daddy, it's okay, or go look it up anymore. So I'll just like ask, Hey, Google,

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Ford-Carther

yeah, can we buy stuff on Amazon, as you know, but it permeates throughout the whole, you know, industry because now it's just Alexa Amazon and, and like you said, growing up, like, by the time they're 20. Like, that's all they're gonna know. And

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Shields

if you take the average American consumer, the average income, like, you know, you know, 2.5 kids a dog in a white picket fence, kind of Americana. They're consuming all of these products, but they're not owning any of the underlying shares. This is like the whole idea of like, the stock market is actually only owned by a small percentage of people. And the idea of like, kind of, specifically within technology, giving people ownership of the tools that they use in everyday life, and allowing them to benefit from the growth and expansion of like other people using it, where it's like, hey, like, you can reward people for being a loyal customer. And there's nothing wrong with that. And the idea that more companies should and shouldn't be it, this isn't like a, like a low bar, you know, situation, right? And so I do think that people, as users of technology should be asking themselves like, okay, like, you know, how am I being treated? How am I, you know, being able to be, am I treated like a loyal customer where it's like, okay, like, you know, you're gonna, we're gonna take care of you for life as an apple consumer. Right? And, but how, right, okay, I can keep giving you money. You keep giving me new toys,

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Ford-Carther  

but like, just give me a good product experience. Brian, that's all like

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Shields

the idea of like, like, because it's like, there are Apple families, right? So it's like, we're not even talking like, Oh, they got you for life cradle to grave like we're talking like generational wealth is being transferred from consumers to technology companies that are owned by a small fraction of the economy of the of the population. And so the idea is that instead of everybody, you know, consolidating these tools and like, you know what happens when someone builds a good piece of technology, they go and buy it, right? Google bought YouTube, right? Facebook bought Instagram, these companies haven't built anything new or good in decades, right? It's literally been years, they just acquire businesses and rewrote relabeled them. And when everyone realizes that that's what they're doing, they relabeled the whole company. Right? And like, we've seen that over and over again. So like, that's just what they're gonna keep doing. And it's no different. And the reason why it's because it's bad PR, right? It doesn't matter if it's Google, or it's Facebook, or it's Philip Morris, right. When you don't like the when you don't like the narrative, you change the narrative. And now it's all on Facebook. So Metaverse company, it's arguably it always has been right. And it was just a landing page is the, you know, the lobby of the metaverse. But that's beside the point. The point is that you don't fucking own the metaverse, right? So like, all you're gonna do is you're gonna be moving from like, a serfdom, right? Oh, if the current model two continuation of that, where you're just gonna still be a tenant, you're still gonna be paying a rent for your software, you're gonna be paying, as a business owner, you're paying for QuickBooks forever. Right? Forever, as opposed to you bought it, and you own it. And that's how we used to sell software, you used to buy it and you owned it. And there weren't any other updates you have to buy, do you buy a video game, you have to get the DLC or whatever. But the idea is that like now, where the users are able to be a community that are collaborating with the product designers, the product leaders, that's where you can get that collaboration where you can kind of like really, you know, bring fire down from the mountain and give people something worth building. And so that's where it's not, oh, I'm buying this, I own it. And it's never going to improve. It's no, I bought the software license, I own this code. Now I can build upon it however I want. And other people can too. And then depending on how they're building it, how I'm building it, we all might be able to work together and build something great. I think that's what's really exciting about giving people ownership over the tools that they use, it's because it's I want to see what they can do with it.

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Ford-Carther

Where do you see, I guess, you know, obviously, we're kind of in this transition from web to to web three. You know, where do you see the web three kinds of SAS play the next three to five years?

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Shields 

Yeah, I mean, it's SAS isn't going away, right? Just like, yeah, like, you know, people still listen to vinyl. Like, there's always going to be an analog technology equivalent, you know, people still get, you know, DVDs in the mail from Netflix. Like it's still an option, right? Oh, yeah. And then some countries, I mean, like, we have a friend who made you know, his whole business model was basically second second market, DVD sales and like Eastern Europe and stuff, and Asia, right. So it's like, I think that there's always it's like, the idea that the future is here, and it's not evenly distributed, right. So I do think that you're gonna see, more and more new technology is being built within NFT membership model, not an interpreted necessarily how they fund the development of the technology, because then that's going to be, you know, security situations, but in terms of how they roll it out to their users, and how they reward the early users of their platform for being like a dedicated member of the community for helping to kind of evangelize the software stuff, like, I do think you're gonna see that becoming more and more prevalent within the technology space. And then in terms of beating entertainment, I don't think people have any idea how fast this is gonna move. I mean, like Ticketmaster is going to be doing the, you know, NFC ticket sales, like within the next year or two, at a grand scale, like this might have been the last Lollapalooza that didn't have a tokenized ticket system. I think that you're going to see that stuff happening across sports, at like, in the next three to five seasons of major professional sports leagues, that's going to continue to accelerate.

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Ford-Carther

Yeah, one of the speakers at the NFT WNYC. They were from with vivid seats or StubHub, maybe one of the

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Shields  

he was Ticketmaster. I remember. Yeah. He was Ticketmaster. Yeah.

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Ford-Carther

And he would, you know, I think he said that now. I think all 32 NFL teams are on their platform. If you

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Shields

run a major sports franchise, in any developed nation right now, and you're not looking at this, you are bad at your job, right? Like, you're just bad at your job, you should be paying very, very close attention. If you work at an airline or hotel right now. And you're not looking at this,

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Ford-Carther

you're bad at your job. Well, it's definitely gonna help reduce fraud. Oh, it's 100%. And

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Shields

then, but it's everything from like, Why do I have to get a new hotel key every time right? Like, you know, you see Marriott building digital keys into the bonvoy app. And like now, it's like a new thing. And so years, and they get around to it, but they're not going to wait to do it. Again, these legacy businesses, hotels, travel, transportation, these businesses are going to be so much faster to adapt to web three than they were like web one or web two. Right. And I think that that's why people are going to get, you know, Whiplash by how fast things are going to be changing. Because it's kind of like how you could look at like Africa, like broadly as a continent, basically skipped terrestrial internet and went right to mobile commerce. And like, I think that you're going to see that type of sea change happening within Web three as well, where it's going to be like, Okay, well turns out that people in other countries can build great software. It doesn't need to all be guys in Southern California. And you got the Sandhill Road crowd is no different than the Sunset Strip crowd where right where it's you get the people that a consolidation of of demographically similar people in a specific geographic region are basically controlling culture, and media and technology, as we know, broadly speaking around the world, and that's not going to happen anymore. Just like you're seeing Netflix buying shows from South Korea, and realizing like, oh, wait a minute, this is like a really good idea. Because other people can create great creativity and innovation and storytelling and stuff like that, I think that that's where it's really going to, not just like the whole, like democratization of capital that we hear about with crypto all the time, but like the democratization of culture, and moving more and more to a bottoms up. Situation in terms of like how media and technology promote culture and connectivity amongst people. But as opposed to kind of, it's gonna be more of like, I know, what's the dynamic I'm trying to think about like, as opposed to being pushed out from Southern California or Northern California, it's gonna be pulled from, you know, individual communities like from from the internet, I think that's gonna be something it's gonna be really interesting to see.

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Ford-Carther

So just to give our listeners a little background on kind of how our membership model so for Sprint's are the platform, we basically have an individual membership and an agency owner membership. So the individual membership is kind of just that if you're a professional, designer, developer, anyone that kind of wants to run or, you know, provide tech solutions through the platform and through the network and join, you know, a community of like minded individuals, like you would find out one, if you're an agency owner, maybe you've got two or three people you work with, or maybe you've got 100 people that you want to provide to the network, by the agency ownership, but it's no different than just being part of a professional club or professional network. But just with us, it's just a digital membership, right. And so you'd hold your membership and a wallet, you know, traditional eath, wallet, and then, so there's just kind of one extra step that you might have, other than signing up and putting your credit card information in. So you know, just kind of give a little bit background on that, and kind of our model. And if you want to add to that,

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Shields

well, yeah, like you said, you know, got the individual membership in the agency membership. And the individual membership is, hey, I'm a developer, I'm a designer, I'm a marketer, I'm a consultant, like I run a couple of projects, maybe I've got a full time day job. And this is a side hustle or nights, the weekends thing, or this is how I pay my pay my mortgage and feed my kids. But basically, you're like an individual contributor, you might have like a small team of people that you work with, you know, you're you're doing small to modest build projects, and you're not really taking on like huge, like enterprise clients or like large, medium sized business clients. And after the agency side would be like, you're an actual agency, like you either wants to build one, have one or look to acquire one and roll it on to sprint, or like as an operating system, which is probably a whole other podcast in itself. But basically, the idea is that you want to, you know, switch the rails upon which you run your business as an agency owner. So you want to instead of paying for 15 different pieces of software, you can basically rule that entire stack off onto a single platform, where you can do your, your voice, your video, your live chat, your file sharing, your task management, your time tracking your payments, you know, to your your team and to your subcontractors, and your vendors all flows seamlessly through the blockchain, where we basically eliminate accounts receivable for you as an agency owner. So there's a whole lot of reasons why if you're looking to either build an agency, or you're running one right now, or you're looking to acquire one, that would make a lot of sense to have that agency owner member membership, just sprinter. But if you're running your own little projects, you want to build websites, you want to run marketing campaigns, you want to manage social campaigns, like that's something that would probably be better for an individual membership. We do think that though, that is the best way to allow everyone to kind of have that token gated access to the community, where there's going to be, you know, you know, materials for in terms of like, you know, like, like training courses, you know, all the documentation for the platform, and on the engineering side of things, any sort of, you know, like brand guidelines, courses and training and anything that the community can contribute to help everyone kind of succeed

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Ford-Carther

outside of just access to the platform. And you talked about kind of training materials, what else told, told folks, what else we kind of have planned for the community and kind of how we envision kind of growing that and growing the network? Yeah,

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Shields  

I mean, as the community grows, the activities of the community grow with it, right. So it goes from, you know, kind of expanding from Hey, we're building an online virtual community and discord within the Sprinter platform to Okay, now you're doing virtual events, or you're doing voice voice chats and recurring meetups, and we want to start doing having more active presence at conferences and kind of having boots on the ground and kind of like being like local at scale so that we can kind of create an ambassador program for people to kind of be like their local spiritual rap, right? So it's like, you might want to be an individual member, you might be an agency owner, but the idea is that you want to kind of spread the word of sprinter in your local community, whether it's going to you know, parties tweeting incubators or accelerators, maybe your university student, maybe you're not, you know, maybe you're in business school, or you know, maybe you're just plugged into your local tech community or your local, you know, industry events or whatever you attend. We want to make sure that people are being educated, informed and entertained in terms of what they can do with sprinters so that we can kind of, you know, open up their minds in terms of what they could do with this technology.

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